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humorist + humanist ([personal profile] erinptah) wrote2024-05-17 12:50 am

AO3 + AI spam + guest comments

AO3 got a wave of spam comments a few weeks ago (including lots of “I bet this junk was written with [AI program the bot is advertising]” abuse), and part of their response was, new works are now default-marked as “only registered users can comment.”

If you, like me, enjoy getting guest comments but will definitely not remember to change the default setting every time you post something new, here’s a little browser script to automatically swap it back.

Feels like part of a much bigger sea change in how people use the internet. When blogs were widespread but social-media sites hadn’t really taken off, “allow guest comments” was…kind of the expectation? Forums were big there too, and it wasn’t expected on forums, but every WordPress-based blog defaults to allowing them, every Livejournal fork (including Dreamwidth) defaults to allowing them.

(This is only feasible if you have some robust spam-filtering software underneath. I just checked Leif & Thorn, there are 8 garbage comments in the spam filter right now. Including, hilariously, one that says “why throw away your intelligence on just posting videos to your weblog when you could be giving us something informative to read?” Guess how many videos are in that post. Go on, guess.)

The next generation of platforms, you have to be logged-in just to interact. Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr, Instagram, Youtube…on and on and on. All of them want to be their own little walled gardens.

Protocols like OpenID have been around that whole time! We have the software for (say) Facebook to accept a Tumblr login as a recognized “account” and vice versa! But the corporate will to adopt it isn’t there. Facebook doesn’t want users to have the option of using another site as their home base. They want everyone to be forced to use Facebook, or else.

AO3 was specifically built by Livejournal content-purge refugees, so it has LJ-style defaults built in. I bet nobody signing up for AO3 in 2024 has used LJ. I wonder how many of them have ever used any other platform that allowed guest comments? There have to be a lot of users who never thought “I want to turn off the guest-comments option” because it didn’t occur to them that guest comments are A Thing Platforms Let You Do in the first place.

On the one hand, there’s something to be said for meeting people where they’re at. User-friendliness is good!

On the other…not allowing guest comments is something FB/T/T/IG/YT/etc do to force signups, drive up their profits, juice their statistics for the benefit of advertisers and investors. It’s a bummer that this ethos has gotten so entrenched in the internet-at-large that AO3 — which has none of those motives! — is still getting swept along with it.

I just hope they never get pressured to remove the option completely. AO3 is not a corporate walled garden — it’s a community for anyone who cares about fanfiction, whether you take the extra step and make an account, or not. We deserve communities like that! We deserve, in general, an internet where platforms like that still exist.

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[personal profile] suncani 2024-05-17 08:33 am (UTC)(link)
Also it feels somewhat counter-productive when there's still a limit on who can create an account (albeit a nominal one)
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[personal profile] axolotls 2024-05-17 08:58 am (UTC)(link)

I think that with AO3, it's not about creating a walled garden so much as allowing people to self-moderate by blocking more easily, and indeed for moderators to be able to take action against someone being abusive. That said, I do hope they come out with a per-account switch soon and that people keep allowing guest comments, it's a really nice thing and I know people who don't want to make accounts who don't want to lose touch with authors.

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[personal profile] axolotls 2024-05-18 09:52 am (UTC)(link)

Yeahh.

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[personal profile] muccamukk 2024-05-17 02:23 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not very techie, but I don't get why they don't just permanently turn off imbeds in guest comments. That seems like a silly thing to have turned on in the first place.

Anyway, I locked all my fic when I first heard about AI scraping, and had the fic in fandoms that got random abuse set to guest only for ages.
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[personal profile] lb_lee 2024-05-17 03:00 pm (UTC)(link)
I only turn off anon comments on DW during a harassment surge; I LIKE hearing from randos usually! Most of them are totally well behaved.

Now TABLING events are exclusively advertising through crap like Instagram. I had to chase a member of con staff down in person and ask “no seriously I cannot be on those platforms due to harassment, HOW DO I KNOW WHEN YOUR TABLES ARE OPEN?!” They don’t even put it up on their websites anymore!
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[personal profile] lb_lee 2024-05-17 11:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Rogan: They claimed the tables go so fast, there's no point in putting them on their website, but god do I hate that logic. It's gotten a lot harder for me to get into events, now that my comics group no longer meets in person. That's how I heard about a lot of events, and now that doesn't happen anymore!

Dyke March this year at least had things up on their website. Trans Resistance's website only shows last year. I wanted to apply for a table, but I guess they only update Instagram! (Which I can't view outside of incognito tabs, since I got suspended and now cannot view ANY Instagram page; all I get is a "GIVE MARK ZUCKERBURG YOUR PHONE NUMBER SUSPENDED SWINE" page.)