This was undoubtedly brought on by the Shine
time-traveling crossover featuring (an I-Jin version of) H. G. Wells, but I've been a universalist for a long time now, so it's only natural: I've taken a couple of big steps deep into the integration of the cosmos.
It started when I went looking for League of Extraordinary Gentlemen
annotations, then stumbled into the Wold Newton universe, and ended up walking down to Barnes & Noble to plunge into the DC multiverse. I don't have the time and energy to do proper research yet, so what follows is a collection of preliminary notes and observations, as relating to And Shine Heaven Now
Relativity reads: 'The only reason for time is so everything doesn't happen at once.' The Relativity
is a Wells-class Timeship."
>Note that I use the words "universe", "timeline", and "dimension" interchangeably.Contents of the Shineverse
This universe is grounded in Hellsing
, but also contains the events of:Read or Die
(current crossover)Victorian Romance Emma
(ditto)Witch Hunter Robin
(to be seen in the future)Maria-sama ga Miteru
(ditto)Revolutionary Girl Utena
(details to be sorted out)Sailor Moon
? (the history is complicated, and would require some coordinating)Dracula
, and possibly other Victorian vampire storiesPet Shop of Horrors
It's also been implied that Red Dwarf
is in its future.
The events of The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen
(the comics; I won't even bother with the movie) don't happen in the Shine
verse, because of some real-world inconsistences (the LoEG universe features a bridge over the English Channel) and Dracula
inconsistencies (the events of the book in LoEG are ten years earlier than the Shine
verse ones). For the proper placement of the League, take a look at . . .Other Major Universes
Timelines that contain many well-known characters and series. Every piece of fiction takes place outside of our timeline (the "real world"); many of them aren't mutually exclusive, though, and "major universes" collect a lot of them:
The DC Comics Universe (a multiverse, pre-Crisis) - Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman; populated by an excess of metahumans, containing advanced technology & a multitude of aliens.
The Marvel Comics Universe - Spider-Man, the X-Men; similar excess of metahumans, including many mutants; ditto for the technology & aliens.
The Wold Newton Universe
) - Gothic horror, pulp fiction, Victoriana; this is the proper place of the LoEG characters. Its future contains the Star Trek universe. It's theorized that its past also contains Middle-earth.
The Disneyverse - see Kingdom Hearts
and Disney's House of Mouse
for details. Includes the Final Fantasy games, though I don't know the extent of the crossover there.
The Hannah Barbaraverse - see Harvey Birdman: Attorney at Law
for how this one works out. Continuity issues are solved by treating the whole thing ironically.
The Seussverse - Dr. Seuss's books, many of which are reconciled in Seussical: the Musical
, as well as that one Seuss-themed TV show with the puppets whose name escapes me.
The Cartoon Network universe - contains the populations of many CN shows, as reconciled in The Powerpuff Girls Doujinshi
The newspaper comics universe - as evidenced by occasional crossovers, cameos, and of course the Great Comic Strip Switcheroo
. Check my icon for a lovely Doonesbury/Bloom County (= Outland = Opus) example ^_~
The FMA universe - doesn't contain crossovers, but is worth mentioning because of its symbiotic relationship with another universe, probably the Shine
The Neopets universe - as seen on neopets.com
. Mainly notable because, next to the Shine
verse, it's the one I play in the most.
The Doctor Who universe (chronology
) - Similar to ours, though with a lot more aliens. Events that are supernatural or magical in other universes often appear here, but with high-tech explanations.
The fact that the Doctor has appeared in the Shine
verse (not to mention the Wold Newtonverse) is easy enough to explain: the TARDIS (Time And Relative Dimension In Space) hops dimensions as well as eras. Thus:Dimension-Hopping
Can be done by technology:
assorted methods used in the DC multiverse
Quinn Mallory's little device in Sliders
Can be done by magic:
Dorothy Gale to Oz (timeline
Alice Liddel to Wonderland (her native universe has been placed as the Wold Newtonverse)
a whole slew of humans to Narnia
There's a list of universes related to the Wold Newtonverse
by virtue of character crossovers. A similar list could be compiled for the Shine
verse, but generally the characters who appear in the Shine
verse are alternate versions of their original forms (for example, the Sailor Soldiers who occasionally show up).Narnia
readers will remember, from The Magician's Nephew
, world-hopping that passed through the Wood Between the Worlds. This wood is not properly a world/timeline/dimension, but rather the in-between space, in which nothing happens in its own right but everything can be reached. The wood between the holiday-worlds of The Nightmare Before Christmas
is probably a part of this. The Wood is part of a limited category:Things That Transcend Dimensions
(i.e., are the same no matter where you start from)
The Wood Between the Worlds
Sailor Pluto (usually identified with the Sailor Moon universe; Guardian of Time)
The Endless (usually identified with the DCverse: Dream, Death, etc)
The Flying Spaghetti Monster (usually identified with our universe; creator of Everything)
Sailor Cosmos (usually identified with SMverse; avatar of everything)
Aslan's country (usually identified with Narniaverse, but heaven is common to all universes)
Hell? (Different universes - the DCverse, the Shine
verse, and presumably the Wold Newtonverse if Dante's involved - have different versions, but they may all derive from something universal.)
The Force? (usually identified with the Star Wars universe - the events of which, as they took place a long time ago in a galaxy far far away, might be part of the history of an already-named universe)
Arisugawa's Locket? (Utenaverse, possibly Shine
verse. Transdimensional lesbian bar for anime females, run by Juri Arisugawa. Not sure how seriously I would take this, especially since in practice the fics tend to be OOC and shallow; but I like the idea.)
Alexander Luthor? (Pre-Crisis DC multiverse. Obtained remarkably transcendent powers during Crisis on Infinite Earths
, but I don't know his fate after that. His transcendence may simply transcend the many facets of the former DC multiverse - which is now one universe - rather than all the rest.)
The Oblivion Bar? (DCverse. Transcends place, but it may be limited to the DCverse all the same.)
It should be noted that most of the major universes have some cosmic forces. The Marvelverse has the Phoenix Force; the DCverse has the Speed Force and Spectre (avatar of vengeance); the SMverse has the Galaxy Cauldron; the FMAverse has alchemy. These are probably tied in with a universe's creation, along with its physical laws (and magical laws, or lack thereof). Which leads us to:A final note about multiverses vs. parallel timelines
(in which I distinguish between timelines and universes)
There are infinite universes. Also, infinite timelines.
"The Marvelverse", as an example, is actually a set of timelines, starting with one arrangement of physical laws (gravity, the nuclear forces, the Phoenix Force, chemical properties) and proceeding to chart every possible eventuality.
It would require extremely fine control to jump to a very close timeline (one with only minor differences; for instance, the one in which Kitty Pryde ordered pizza for dinner instead of Chinese food). And besides, if you're telling a story about the Marvelverse, you generally don't need to differentiate based on such small details. Think of these timelines like electrical wires. A wire consists of a bunch of bundled fibers, which are very fine and close together and can be treated for all intents and purposes like a single entity. But two lamps will have different cords; and the cord for your lamp and the cord for your laptop are very distinct. It's hard to jump around within a wire; it takes much less control to hop to a separate lamp cord, or to a different appliance cord altogether.
The members of the Marvelverse do a lot of time-hopping, leading to distinct timelines within the Marvelverse interacting. Scott and Jean have rather a lot of kids, from different timelines. Think of them as different lamp cords.
, based on the hopping-between-timelines premise, generally leaps around inside the Slidersverse, as evidenced by the fact that alternate versions of the main characters show up in most of the timelines.)
verse would be a laptop cord. Started with a distinct set of physical laws from the Marvelverse. Not so different that they'd explode on impact (as with a matter universe meeting an antimatter one), but different enough that there would be occasional problems (Jean Grey would be disattached from the Phoenix Force if she came into it).
The vast majority of the timelines torn apart during the Shine or Die
storyline are from the Shine
verse, and, furthermore, are Shine
verse timelines that developed the same way as our main one up until around a few hundred years ago. They'd have to be; all of them involve an H. G. Wells and an Integra in order to produce this particular timeline-shredding paradox. (Mind you, some of the Wellses and Integras developed in very
different ways . . .)
The General Mish Mash of Everything also transcends universes. It seems less organized than Wood Between the Worlds, though. It's transcending timelines, but generally containing the Shine
verse. This is what happens when you start tearing down the walls between timelines: their contents get all mixed up. The difference is that the Wood is what happens when you break out of spacetime altogether. It had no start, no Big Bang. It simply is
There. I think I've been quite philosophical enough for today ^_^